Sunday, January 4, 2009

Ophiuchus - The 13th Zodiac Sign

I was watching History Channel just now and learnt some rather interesting information. The show was on Nostradamus’ Lost Book and yes the latest end of world deadline is now in 2012. Great...

Anyway, that is not the point I want discussed here. It is one of the points History Channel raised that there are actually 13 Zodiac signs instead of 12. The thirteenth sign was named Ophiuchus – translated to Serpent Man, snake holder or Serpentarius. The sign is represented by a man grabbing a large snake in both of his hands and was located between Scorpio and Sagittarius.
 

Image taken from: http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/ophiuchus.htm

A star chart of Ophiuchus. From Atlas Coelestis, John Flamsteed, London, 1753. The curved black and white line at the bottom of the drawing is the Ecliptic. Whilst the figure has a slightly different orientation - notably of the head - in comparison to Kepler's drawing, the star positions of the major limbs are very similar. This figure is very close to what the Ancient and Classical Greeks would have seen when they looked for Ophiuchus in the heavens.


According to Wiki, zodiac signs are actually zodiacal constellation which sun passes through them during the course of the year. Even though the sun passed though Ophiuchus, it is not counted as a proper zodiac sign. Some theories were that the number 13 was considered as unlucky in the western world, thus it was not added in. Other official explanation was that Ophiuchus was not in the natural southerly path of the 12 major constellations thus it is awkward to promote it as part of natural universal precession.

Anyway, if astronomers added Ophiuchus into the zodiac signs, the months which we associated with a zodiac sign changes. One might not even be the zodiac sign that he/she is known as. See the list below. The more interesting thing about Ophiuchus is that one in twenty people falls under this sign, but there is no proper explanation on what are their characters and personalities like compared to other signs...

Many people questioned the characters and personalities of Ophiuchusian online, but found no answer. Some suggested that perhaps they are cusp of Scorpio and Sagittarius, but I doubted so since current zodiac signs’ character differs very much from one and other even though they fall right after each other.

This finding somewhat sparkled off my curiosity. If you happened to stump upon this post on the same topic and knew about Ophiuchusian's personalities, do share with me.

Some Astronomers believed the following dates to be the real solar Zodiac Sun Signs instead:


ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18

Nothing changed for my zodiac sign, still a Virgo... Hmmm...

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88 comments:

Horizon said...

WTF then I'll be Gemini instead of Cancer. Anyway, the end of the world always extend. We'll know when is the end of the world if we're there.

Anonymous said...

and i'll be virgo instead of libra.
but both have good qualities. lolx.

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

I am not sure how true are these predictions, but I find the information interesting. I always had this facination and liking for old Greek Mythology stories. So reading the Ophiuchus' wiki entry evoke the fond memory. :)

Anonymous said...

...Okay! No! I as born Nov.22 one of the cusp dates between Scorpio and Sag. ...I figures out I was really a Scorpio being born at 09:08. Now you mean to tell me that I am a Libra!...
That just angers me cause the thought of being born a sag bothered me and now I refuse to even think I was born Libra!!!.....and nothing against either signs, some of my dearest friends are born under those signs but I'm just to prideful to believe
that I have been shifted to something so ..... not me at all!

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

Is the new Zodiac signs arrangement more accurate than the current one? Any comments? I cannot compare since my sign is still the same.

Anonymous said...

i was born december 5 so with this alternate view I would be considered an Ophiuchus or am I Serpentarian?

Anyway, I got curious about the traits and here is what I found

http://www.love-astrology.com/13th-sign-of-the-zodiac/ophiuchus-13th-sign/

It is funny. Most of the traits fit me, especially the architect/builder trait.

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

Hi Anonymous (Feb 3), Ophiuchus and Serpentarian refers to the same sign. I supposed you can choose whatever name that sounded better. My personal favourite term for the 13th sign is Serpentarian. I think it will gel better with the rest.

Thanks for the link which you have provided. It is no doubt intriguing, but still lack of comprehensiveness. I do hope some astrologer would write a details characteristic of the 13th sign.

It would be extraodinary then!

E said...

I was born on the 13 th day of december at 13 hours. The number 13 seems to have featured alot in my life. Live in number 13 house and was married on 13 day of the month. What does this all mean?

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

Hi E, that is very interesting! I must highlight that I am no astrologer, but are you a westerner?

I know that number 13 isn’t very popular with westerner, but in Chinese culture number 13 is considered as not bad. In Cantonese context, 13 is pronounced as “sup san” which meant raising or lifting. Chinese love to see it as a lift of status and wealth.

Since you are somewhat fated with number 13, loving it and think it as auspicious will be a better way to interpret it. I always believe while fate determines things which we will encounter in life, but destiny lies in one hands. No matter what sort of difficulties one been through, as long as you endeavour, one will get past it eventually!

Anonymous said...

If you have 13 prominate in your life does not mean bad but a good thing. Humans have placed the fear of the number 13 in operation. Remember the power of the mind is great and the more one cangather other's to beleive in their created fear then it gives it more creating power. I was born on the 13 of Nov. on a friday and I fin the friday the 13th to be a very good day for me but if you beleive in supersticion, then you will create what you beleive. I was dating a EMT/firefighter and one friday the 13 and also good friday began and his radio began with calls of fires etc at 6 am. He was called in for a house fire but the house was unoccupied and then when he was going through town he sqw the boyscouts doing a car wash and decided to get the dirt off his truck and while there he spoke to an officer who had also came in to give a dontion and a car wash when both their radios went off at same time, calling in help for a roll over. I was along on all these things so I was an eye winess to human behaviors and their fears. After this roll over was takn care of we came home, he wanted a hot bath to relax when he was just getting settled when his radio went off again asking for extra help to a neighboring fire department for a brush fire. So off we went. Then we not even made it back when his radio went off again for anoter roll over, just down the highway from the first one. On both of the roll over's i listened to the ppl talk about how the day was a bad omen and the more they talked the more they beleived and the more that energy was being created to live andanyone whom come across this energy would have felt the negative aspects of it. Because it was created out of fear. Now for me the day was a very good day because I was allowed to see these lessons being taught to the many ppl on their fear's. I never have been afraid of the number 13 and yes I have the ability or shall I say the natural way of seing into other worlds. Now when ppl learn this about me they immediatly begin to say I am a witch, here again is all fear based. I will quote a books title, what man thinketh man becometh. And another quote, we reap what we sow, what goes around comes around. Karma etc. I refer to beleive more in the aboriginal way as I am a mixed blood tsalagi, that all life has balance and harmony and if you have created an inbalance, you are responisble ofr returning the balance and that will be made by what ever act you did to make that inbalance. So bottom line is, what one beleives for their truh they will live it out in their life.

irishpagan said...

ophiuchus if you want to find out about what your personality would be like eather look up joseph in the bible or check this website out www.s8int.com/joseph.html this sign is the only sign named after a real man imhotep the bible changes stories just to let you know which is why we haven't heard of this sign your dates are wrong there should be 28 days in a month which equals 364 days in a year there are 13 moon changes in a year our astrology calender we have now only accually has 153 days in it add them up do the math the only reason our "normal" calender works now is the seasons match with the seasons the 13 month calander didn't

Anonymous said...

Ophiuchus is very mystic indeed, and infact my own self falls as a Ophiuchi, i understand alot of people will be, once they find out that the real zodiacs are different. and these are traits.

#Hardworking.
#Wisdom and Thirst for knowledge
#Fame and fortune (this sign has luck, and fame is also mixed into a trait)
#The good but goofy one
#Well advising, caring,
#Musical,
#Into nature, looks beyond a normal humans view of the world.

ect; they are just a few, im sure that this has shocked a few people, but rest assured if you have found out that you were once a 'sag' three minutes ago and are now a strange new sign, you will have traits of Scorpio and Sagittarius too. and if you were once a Gemini and have found out well now your a Taurus ect; then you will have traits of both. just how it goes.


hope that helps.

Anonymous said...

im born in Dec. 17, so am i actually be Ophiuchus or Segatarious. I found a few traits pf my self in both of these signs p_q...

draefuss said...

i was born on the 12th of december...guess that makes me an ophiuchus/serpentarius...and the traits fit me very well...and im studying medicine...guess that makes me more like imhotep (the person ophiuchus represents)...hehehe

Anonymous said...

I was born December 8th. I just watched the same history channel show. The strange thing is......the show oieced together like a puzzle all of the things that I already knew or read somewhere. It was like they recited and added to all of what I thought were crazy, insane theories. I did not however know about the 13th zodiac. This new info will keep me busy in the studio as an artist for a very long time. It also opens up entire new avenues to further my own endless quest for knowledge....however useless or theoretical. I was glued to the TV for the shows duration. How amazing it would be to find the key to our minds eye.

syphonfilter21 said...

lol that means im ophiuchus but im compared to saggi i match them in every book in 1 it mixes wester and eastern signs im a saggi tiger i it seen pretty accuret off by a little

Mike Ward said...

I was born on December 21st so my sign has not been altered but it does reaffirm my conviction that I am a true Sagittarius despite being born on the cusp of Sagittarius Capricorn according to the 12 constellation chart. I am a little more then interested in the part of the show that talked about 2012 being the apocalypse coinciding with the Mayan calender which ends in 2012 on December 21st. A lot of the stuff that was on the channel that day revolved around that and had me thinking perhaps I will have something to do with it. Foolish I know, but my spirituality (don't confuse with religious belief)makes me question a lot of what may or may not be coincidence.

Anonymous said...

wtf so im a gemini instead of ah cancer thts gay as hell

Anonymous said...

Ophiuchus, serpant holder OR One who holds big snake with two hands. It just doesn't sound right... Especially with it sitting between Scorpio and Sagittarius,it just makes it sound more twisted and perverse.

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

What one sees, sometimes, reflected what one had in their mind. In any case, we are having a serious discussion here.

Torri said...

so I must gasp my hilarious surprise at this. My husband and myself "were" aries and pisces, him being aries, myself pisces. after looking up our "new" zodiac signs, it is absolutey amazing to see that our "new" signs were actually more accurate than the ones we had believed to be for the last 27 years. I'm pretty shocked, it all makes sense now, haha

Anonymous said...

No need to worry, things will be as they were meant to be.

Perye Bentley said...

Well Im supposed to be a Taurus.

But I have been looking into this "13 signs" for a while now and I am allot more like aries than a Taurus.

Both signs are known as stubborn but im not a plodder. Im easily bored and all my friends say im never boring.

Its opened up a new way of looking at life and TBH im competetive as hell.

I have been reading the yearly predictions of aries for a while now and have back tracked 2 or 3 years and its fit me perfectly!

Its ridiculous because Ive never been able to make sense of the Taurus one...

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

This is interesting. I have read that a number of you believed that the "new zodiac sign" (due to inclusion of Ophiuchus)is more accurate than your "current zodiac sign". Hmm...

Not sure if you all are aware, zodiac signs which you all are known to i.e. Virgo, Libra, Aries et cetra are Sun signs. To get accurate readings for example by an professional Astrologist, they need to get the time of your birth and location so that they can calculate which Zodiac signs your moon, Mars, Venus etc stars are located. This affect different aspect of your life. I need to check back, but if I remembered correctly, Mars seems to rule your physical energy.

It is a bit complicated to explain in the comment column. When I am free up (have got an examination coming up), I would write a new post to explain about this.

Thank you all for the exciting comments. Do keep them coming! :)

Just curious - Which country do you all come from? I am from Singapore, an ethnic Chinese. Singapore culture had some western influence, thus we knew about zodiac sign. However, how common it is for westerners are keen to believe in Zodiac signs and their predictions?

Anonymous said...

i dont find this accurate all. i was born on the third of october and i've always believed that i was a libra but now im being told that i'm really a friggin virgo. i dont fit any of the qualities of being virgo all i know is bieng a libra...always have been and always will be....

Rekha said...

Born in the time of ophiuchus. I always kept trying see the Sagginess in me but only 15% matched my traits. But magority of ophiuchus match mine.
I also heard that it wasn't included cuz:
1. ophiuchus is the only constellation that doesn't represent a god
2. it would be the 13th, and many ppl consider that to be bad.
3. maybe others but can't remember...

Anonymous said...

So i'm highly upset that I'm no longer a sag. Instead a ophiuchus. WTF???? It sounds like a disease. That sign has no personality traits. Nah f$&k that I'm still a SAGITTARIUS!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

this is not accurate cause i was born on the cusps of Aries april 19th according to my birth chart i am a Taurus i am a lay back person same as most Taurus if you want the truth of your zodiac sign don't follow your horoscope look up your birth chart here http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal

Anonymous said...

Acctualy this is untrue. Serpentarius would fall between Gemini and Cancer. Its not by when in the month its located its when it arises in the night sky. Ophicus is visible in the middle of SUMMER! Therfore I (being a cancer of the earlier section) would BARELY fall under ophicus(last day its visible in summer is July 16th)

Lydia said...

I always thought I was more of a leo than a virgo... they dither too much... now I can be loud and proud and not ashamed of it!! XD

Anonymous said...

NO! The History Channel is full of BS half the time! The scientists on there spend all their life doing nothing but to come up with stupid theories that they make up for the publicity... well that's just my opinion. plus i was born july 26, which made me a leo in the first place. Now i'm a cancer???? i don't think so, i don't have any of the cancer characteristics. If the "ophiuchus" constellation is out of placement with the other 12, then it probably is not supposed to be one. I say we stick with the original 12, cuz its obviously been perfectly fine for the world all these years.

Anonymous said...

tho for me this has change i am a scorpio and i will die one this 13th sigh totally caught my eye, i founded this blog looking for personal traits of this sigh. I have been in a relationship with a man born under this new sigh. The strange thing is, is that i have studied and read a lot of books on astology and how people relate to being born under different signs. For my guy i find him to have some strange traits that i figured made his unique being a Sag, 12/20.. to me he is so. we have been together for almost 5years.. he has been rather hard to deal with... hes dark inside his features are very kin because of his ceole roots.. he has a kin nose and at the beginning of our relationship i would get glace of horns on his hand tho i never told anyone,.. its funny that this would come up because for 3yrs i have been trying to leave him but i have not, and out of all the people i have came across many i have figured out he i have not, being a scorpio, i am very private, when first meeting him i stepped totally outside of my normal behavior.. and he was nothing like he appeared... to b, i find everything he says to b a lie, he loves hard and is a very hard worker but we are 9 n a half years apart, hes handsome and clean cut, but never been married, and i have always wondered y.. he has some traits sometimes he changes we can b having a convo about something on tv and before everything is done there is a disagreement, mentally hes always confused, he wants me to treat him as a man but cant do simple things like tell a child noo. he would rather get mad and say he has done nothing wrong... he never wants to stand up for him self or anything but inside our home he wants me to treat him as a king... i would love to learn more on this...Ophiuchus, i can imagine this person is very smart mayb and differnt than us

Anonymous said...

If I was a Leo but was on the cusp of cancer and now am a cancer,what would my moon sign be? I found that my moon sign which is/was Capricorn was more accurate than the Leo sun sign

billsixtwo said...

This works in PERFECTLY with my idea for a calendar year consisting of 13 months each with 28 days or 4 weeks, always beginning on a Sunday and ending on Saturday. Still 52 weeks, with New Years Day as "DAY ZERO" to round out the 365 days, January & December would still be first and last, with the new month "MIDEMBER" falling between June & July!!!

Anonymous said...

"WTF!?" THATS WUT I GOT 2 SAY ABT DIS SHIT! I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK...I AM A SCORPIO TIL THA DAY I DIE! WHAT THEY GONE DO ...CHANGE ALL THA INFO ABT EVRY SIGN?! THATS STUPID!

Anonymous said...

WTF i dnt giv a fuck what they say this sum BS i've will always be an ARIES & i will always be i will never b a pieces i've been an ARIES 4 19 years & i will continue 2 be one

Anonymous said...

FML. I love being a Sag. D: Now I'm this new Ori...Ophi... Well I could bother coming up with all the different ways to spell the name wrong, but I'll not bother.

Now I'm on the cusp of Scorpio and Ophiuchus. I haven't really looked up the traits of Scorpio because I'm born on Nov. 30th, but I've been told by some of my more spiritual-believing friends that I'd have a Scorpion-like tail. Well, with this new layout, this explains why I would have such, since I'd be on the cusp this time instead.
Although, the wiki entries with the myths of who might the man be piques my interest.

And I'd be willing to share if you're still interested in learning more about Western opinions of the zodiac. I'm from the West coast of the USA.
-M.H.

Anonymous said...

does this only apply to those born after 2009?

Anonymous said...

Also, I found this which includes more information about the supposed characteristics of Ophiuchus signs:
http://the-red-thread.net/ophiuchus2.html


Although, halfway through, it seems like they got desperate when listing the traits.
-M.H.

Stef said...

I study astrology, so this might be intresting to add. But, if you think about it, the Greeks only had 12 signs, and I believe they are right. This 13th sign does not fit in, since most of the dates would be pulled forward. I study my friends and family mates, taking notes and mathcing their signs. It fits almost perfectly. But, the addition of the new sign will mess it all up. My friend who is a Scorp does not act like a Libra. And I, for one, am not a Vigro, I am a true-blue Libra. Yes, Yes, I admit this sign is real, but shouldn't be in the Zodiac system. I believe that we should still have the typical 12.

Anonymous said...

I think this is a load of bull (and not just because I enjoy being a Libra) as for 2012, I'm not sure if I believe it or not. I'm very interested in the Mayan myths and such when it comes to it, but then again, the world has supposed to have ended so many times since I've been born that I'm really just tired with the whole idea. It'll happen when it happens

Anonymous said...

I kind of feel bad for people who have their zodiac sign tattooed on them! LOL

Kaitlin said...

horse shit.

Anonymous said...

WTF So im Cancer not a Leo I am Leo to a T no cancer traits.. and my husband and baby are now this new snake man sign that I cant find any traits about ?? nahhh Ill stay Leo and my hubby N baby Sag.. lol

Anonymous said...

I think everyone is over reacting anout this.i think it will change new peoples sighns but not ours.when we were born we got our signs and that is what it is.so what if they find another. Sign it dose not accure to us.n the world will end long after we r all gone.and screw2012.

Anonymous said...

This is really dumb...this isnt even new, the media is blowing this up!!!

Check this out:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/01/13/astrological-sign-of-the-times/

there you go, and ps astrology is bullshit. Astrology is a myth, astronomy is a science! deal with it...

Dheeraj said...

The new Zodiac sign is a fake. Ohpiuchus is NOT a new sign. It's been around for ages. There has been a lot of dispute over the years about whether the 12 sign zodiac or the 13 sign

Maybe you can find this page helpful http://www.infonary.com/zodiac-signs

Dheeraj said...

The new Zodiac sign is a fake. Ohpiuchus is NOT a new sign. It's been around for ages. There has been a lot of dispute over the years about whether the 12 sign zodiac or the 13 sign

Maybe you can find this page helpful http://www.infonary.com/zodiac-signs

Katie L. said...

I'm one of those Leos who is now supposedly considered a Cancer. If we go by the traits of the original 12 signs, I am so NOT a Cancer and definitely a Leo. I wonder if it could be that the traits of the original 12 will now change as well, say, those who were Leos but are now Cancers still have the characteristics of Leos. Basically, do the characteristics of the sign of Cancer (and all the signs) now change to be something different? Is Cancer the new Leo? I'm not suddenly going to take on the traits of a Cancer just because astronomers say that my sun sign has changed. Oh, and I definitely thing Serpentarius fits in much better with the original 12 than Ophiuchus.

Melynda and Michael said...

I find this all fascinating... In fact so much so that a few years ago I wrote a song about the 13th sign aka Ophiuchus aka Serpentarius it is called ..... Serpentarius. Want to listen? Listen here! http://www.reverbnation.com/bybloodalone.

Serpentarius
by
By Blood Alone

The twelve signs don't align
as they scurry across the sky
70 or more are simply forgotten
what's this 13th sign
honored only for his plight
interpreting the dreams of those who surround him

As we look up to the sky so high
we correlate our lives with the night
as we calmly lie each night
Serpentarius we try

The eagle made his way
to strike him down and end his days
pluto wielding a great bolt of thunder
he tried to raise the dead
healing sick with serpent hands
robbing hell of its due souls heading under

the answers that we search inside to find
reveal themselves to us, causing fright
as we slowly die each night
Serpentarius we try to find the light

As we live our separate lives no ties
the universe survives spanning time
as we calmly lie each night
Serpentarius we die to find the light

all rights reserved by
By Blood Alone
http://www.bybloodalone.com

Anonymous said...

FUCK THIS THING ! I WANT TO BE A LEO INSTEAD OF CANCER. WTF IS THIS.

Anonymous said...

its very interesting when i heard or read this kind of prediction.like,the end of the will end at 2012.one question entered on my mind,and also i asked my self,who they are that will tell the end of world.all of this only imagination,prediction,nothing can tell when is the end of the world,only GOD CAN TELL US WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN,,

Eric said...

That explains why most those predictions in the newspaper for me did not come true. I was looking in the wrong sign!

Anonymous said...

say what !? look here. im a pisces, I have been a pisces since I was born and will stay one til i die. i am NOTHING, DO YOU HERE ME?, NOTHING like an Aquarius. yall done lost yall mind.

Boo-hoo said...

I don't want to be a Pisces. I want to stay an Aries. I think just the fact that I'm so angry about it would label me as an Aries. Can we just keep who we've been since... I don't know... BIRTH!?

Anonymous said...

if i were a Capricorn the traits of that zodiac doesn't fits my personality..
this change of dates is not accurate.. because in some sites..my birth date still falls on Aquarius...it doesn't matter anyway i'd rather be an aquarian than a capricornean..still were the ones to create our futures..
i had always fascination with these signs and Greek mythology


-sometimes this changes irritates me..

Maky Dol said...

Astronomer Parke Kunkle Interview Video about New Horoscope 2011:

http://goo.gl/U8yH6

Anonymous said...

Well, I was a Scorpio and Now I am a libra. I dont know if it happened to other people or not, but recently I was feeling different than before. Like how I was total scorpio and things were totally that way. Since last week, I have been doing things that is not under scorpio characteristic. And just last night, I came to find out about change in Horoscope and figured out I am libra now. Whatever changes I had felt or they way I started doing things, matches with Libra characteristics. So, Idk I kinda feel the change in Horoscope is right..

stephaniemariec said...

The news that their is a thirteenth sign is totally disturbing to me. I thought I had alot of knowledge about astrology and to find out its all changed is crazy to me. I was born on October 23, the cusp of libra scorpio. Now I'm supposed to be a virgo. No way

Anonymous said...

wth. ill be a TAURUS instead of GEMINI

Anonymous said...

I'm a virgo and never, ever will be a leo. I might have something leo, but that's not who i am. I might have something in the new one as well, cuz that DEFINATELY sounds like me

Anonymous said...

I prefer to remain a Leo. The characteristics really describe me well of what I am...

Anonymous said...

have nothing against any sign. but the change in dates aren't accurate. i'll be sagittarius instead of capricorn. but my personality best fit the traits of a capricorn

Anonymous said...

In Defense of the 12-Sign System:
Why the New Zodiac is Wrong

By Anonymous

The introduction of the new sign Ophiucus is an attempt to channel or interpret the configurations of a constellation, or a body of stars, and work it into the 12-zodiac astrology system which is based upon the seasonal marking points of the equinoxes and related to the planetary configurations. Under the new system, all current signs are apparently shifted by about one month or so, and the sign Scorpio is squeezed into the week of November 23-29 when the constellation Scorpius passes through that part of the year. Scorpio as we knew it was swallowed entirely by the assigned dates of the new Libra.

However, this apparent change or shift in the constellations should not affect the current workings of astrology for several reasons. Astrology as was performed for the past thousands of years has rested upon the configuration of the planetary bodies in relation to a person's birthplace, the exact hour being used to determine the ascendant according to planetary and celestial bodies' configurations. The planets represent the ego, outlook, or persona of the person, and the configuration of certain planets in relation to the others would determine other traits such as needs (often associated with the moon sign) and the external ego (ascendant). A person born in the middle of November, for example, would be considered a Scorpio because the sun passes through Pluto which is considered a planet that governs that sign. This person would embody some of the traits ascribed to the Scorpio personality in addition to effecting the influence of that sign, often associated with research. What has happened is that the "new zodiac" signs have been confused with the constellations, or the position of body of stars, in relation to the person's birthplace. Libra's constellation, for example, would appear during the period assigned traditionally to Scorpio and Scorpius, the constellation so named after the scorpion which is symbolic of Scorpio, would appear during November 23-29 which is in the sign Sagittarius.

There are a number of possibilites why this is so. A first possibility is that the constellation presiding over the sign may be said to effect an "influence" over that part of the sign. For Scorpio, the constellation Libra, when it passes through that sign, may impart a sense of judgment or discernment. For the week of November 23-29, Scorpius may impart some qualities associated with Scorpio to that part of Sagittarius. Astrology combines not only the sun sign and the moon sign but other aspects, including planetary configurations. Each sign is supposedly split into three decans which have differing qualities according to the rulership or influence of presiding planets, though they all share the same "theme" represented by the planet governing their shared sign. For example, Gemini is often divided into three decans presided over by Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius, though all three decans are considered essentially Gemini. The constellation passing through the sign may be another "aspect" or influence of that part of the sign in determining his or her personality.

Anonymous said...

In Defense of the 12-Sign System:
Why the New Zodiac is Wrong

By Anonymous

The introduction of the new sign Ophiucus is an attempt to channel or interpret the configurations of a constellation, or a body of stars, and work it into the 12-zodiac astrology system which is based upon the seasonal marking points of the equinoxes and related to the planetary configurations. Under the new system, all current signs are apparently shifted by about one month or so, and the sign Scorpio is squeezed into the week of November 23-29 when the constellation Scorpius passes through that part of the year. Scorpio as we knew it was swallowed entirely by the assigned dates of the new Libra.

However, this apparent change or shift in the constellations should not affect the current workings of astrology for several reasons. Astrology as was performed for the past thousands of years has rested upon the configuration of the planetary bodies in relation to a person's birthplace, the exact hour being used to determine the ascendant according to planetary and celestial bodies' configurations. The planets represent the ego, outlook, or persona of the person, and the configuration of certain planets in relation to the others would determine other traits such as needs (often associated with the moon sign) and the external ego (ascendant). A person born in the middle of November, for example, would be considered a Scorpio because the sun passes through Pluto which is considered a planet that governs that sign. This person would embody some of the traits ascribed to the Scorpio personality in addition to effecting the influence of that sign, often associated with research. What has happened is that the "new zodiac" signs have been confused with the constellations, or the position of body of stars, in relation to the person's birthplace. Libra's constellation, for example, would appear during the period assigned traditionally to Scorpio and Scorpius, the constellation so named after the scorpion which is symbolic of Scorpio, would appear during November 23-29 which is in the sign Sagittarius.

Read the rest of my comment here: http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/new-zodiac-signs-cause-astrological-chaos-01-14-2011

Anonymous said...

In Defense of the 12-Sign System:
Why the New Zodiac is Wrong

By Anonymous

The introduction of the new sign Ophiucus is an attempt to channel or interpret the configurations of a constellation, or a body of stars, and work it into the 12-zodiac astrology system which is based upon the seasonal marking points of the equinoxes and related to the planetary configurations. Under the new system, all current signs are apparently shifted by about one month or so, and the sign Scorpio is squeezed into the week of November 23-29 when the constellation Scorpius passes through that part of the year. Scorpio as we knew it was swallowed entirely by the assigned dates of the new Libra.

However, this apparent change or shift in the constellations should not affect the current workings of astrology for several reasons. Astrology as was performed for the past thousands of years has rested upon the configuration of the planetary bodies in relation to a person's birthplace, the exact hour being used to determine the ascendant according to planetary and celestial bodies' configurations. The planets represent the ego, outlook, or persona of the person, and the configuration of certain planets in relation to the others would determine other traits such as needs (often associated with the moon sign) and the external ego (ascendant). A person born in the middle of November, for example, would be considered a Scorpio because the sun passes through Pluto which is considered a planet that governs that sign. This person would embody some of the traits ascribed to the Scorpio personality in addition to effecting the influence of that sign, often associated with research. What has happened is that the "new zodiac" signs have been confused with the constellations, or the position of body of stars, in relation to the person's birthplace. Libra's constellation, for example, would appear during the period assigned traditionally to Scorpio and Scorpius, the constellation so named after the scorpion which is symbolic of Scorpio, would appear during November 23-29 which is in the sign Sagittarius.

Anonymous said...

thia ia tOTAL BULLSHIT! I WILL BE A SAGITARIOUS FOR LIFE!! NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT FUCK BEING A LIBRA WHEN THT DOESNT MATCH ME AT ALL!!! IM SO PISSED AT THS BULLSHIT!!! IF UR A SAG AND HAVE RECENTLY BEEN SUPOSABLY CHANGED TO A LIBRO F THAT! U WILL BE A SAG FOR LIFE AND SHOULD BE PROUD OF IT.

Anonymous said...

i used to be a libra, now i'm a virgo T_T

Anonymous said...

I DONT CARE IM STILL GOING TO CLAIM ARIES ALL DAY LONG IM NOT CHANGING NUTHING

Anonymous said...

Ok so what are the dates for these suppose changes since I have read another article and they had different dates corresponding with the zodiac signs. That makes a person wonder how true these people are

Anonymous said...

Actually traits can be found. :)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6222160/ophiuchus_personality_traits_a_list.html?cat=34

Anonymous said...

Doesn't change my sun sign but does it change my ascendant? Would love to see what my birth chart looks like now.

Photosophize [ 影.像.物语 ] said...

I had wanted to round up some comments from this discussion, but written too long. Hence, created a new post for it.

For those who are interested to read, go to home page or access the link below:

http://photosophize.blogspot.com/2011/01/answering-comments-on-ophichus-or.html

Anonymous said...

I am a leo now i was a virgo my CUZ WAS A SCORPIO NOW HE IS A VIRGO

gorio said...

2012! End of the World!!! yes i'm sop excited!!!

Anonymous said...

this can not be true because i am a scorpio to a t and now this is saying im a libra which the characteristics don't match up to me

Anonymous said...

Try http://www.mynewzodiacsign.net/ for information on the new zodiac sign

Anonymous said...

What I have been reading suggests that it will be seen to represent healers and doctors, as well as personal success.

Sargunan said...

Are the new zodiac signs fake. Read more here

Anonymous said...

i am so a sag! i have been a sag all my life and NOW they come out with this shit about a new sign?! uh uh i dont think so ! screw that! new thirteenth sign my ass. be proud of who you ARE not were people dont change and niether do zodiac signs. pardon my language but i srongky bekieve this is a load of bullshit

Cee Cee said...

Interesting... yet I am not satisfied with it...

Anonymous said...

.......I'll be virgo then...what ever....I'll bet that there will be more zodiac sign to be discovered in the near future.....

Anonymous said...

What -
The Astrologers did not see this coming ?

Anonymous said...

Lol, it's funny to watch so many people get pissed over this. People are going to end up picking whichever system that gives them a sign they like anyways, its not really worth the time arguing about which system is right and cussing out people that have a varying view like I've seen some other commenters do.

Also, I'm apparently a Serpentarius now and the descriptions fit me almost exactly, but I think part of the reason people grow to accept their sign is because their subconscious is fed to believe they have those traits, but when a contrasting idea comes along, they arent as open and thats why they deny the 13th sign. As for me, because I dont really pay much attention to and dont really care about the zodiac so I cab accept it more freely.


Wall of text lol, sorry for rambling =.= here's a cookie as compensation

Anonymous Astrologer said...

Ive been studying astrology for quite a bit but I dont know too much about this particular sign. Though from the information I've collected I think that serpentarius is nothing more than a combination of Scorpio and Sagittarius. From what I've seen that's pretty much all that it is, for example The fact that serpentarius is good in medical work and they make good architects and builders are all Scorpio traits, and the fact that they are goofy and have a tendency to be popular are Sagittarius traits. So Im pretty sure it's the same principle with physical traits, I will leave all the physical traits for both Scorpio and Sagittarius and if anyone here knows someone that is a serpentariun or is one could you please post which traits they or you have so that I may put it in my book that I am writing? Thank you to anyone who helps!

Scorpio:
• hypnotic stare
• eyes are usually black, brown, blue, or green but all have very intensive stares
• usually have pale complexions but ascendant may change this trait
• voice is usually velvety soft, husky or sharply cutting. Usually slow and measured or cliped and staccato
• Brows are usually heavy and knit together over the bridge of the nose
• men usually have a heavy growth of hair on the arms and legs
• theres one kind of Scorpio that speaks quickly and is open and friendly but if you look him/her in the eyes you'll see that it's just a mirror.

Sagittarius:
• well shaped skull
• forehead is usually high and broad
• open and friendly features
• rapid movements
• eyes are bright and alert, humorous looking
• usually make wide and sweeping gestures
• Not the most graceful people on earth..
• have a tendency of being a klutz
• most likely has at least one pet (unless has an afflicted ascendant)
•restless, can never stay in one place for long.

These are some of the many traits of these signs and if anyone is interested I will be writing a book on astrology from the basics to very complex stuff (natal charts, various kinds of astrology, ext.). If you know someone that is a serpentarius or you yourself are one please post which physical characteristics you posses, it will be very much appreciated.

Anonymous Astrologer said...

As for this rumor about our signs being changed, I don't think it's true because it's not exactly the day that makes you a certain sun sign, it's the position of the sun itself, and I don't think the sun all of a sudden wasn't in that sign when people were born. Those of you that have there sun in serpentarius, I can't really help much but to say that you are now a serpentarius, but for those who don't have that particular problem, unless you were born on or after 2009 your sign didn't change. It's impossible because your sun was in that particular spot when you were born and it doesnt make a difference NOW that the placement of the stars are different then before.

Anonymous Astrologer said...

That's like saying that you all of a sudden went from being an American to a Japanese person and will be expected to all of a sudden have squinted eyes and a Japaneze accent, it's not possible..

Anonymous said...

I am the person who posted and wrote that piece, "In Defense of the 12-Sign System." Please take it down.

I no longer believe in or condone astrology. The only thing that is real is God.